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Fix me beautiful

slummy - 14:05 22 January 2020 #

I believe that this intro may never have existed: https://demozoo.org/productions/26952/ :)

The intro that actually got 3rd at ECC93 seems to have been this one: https://demozoo.org/productions/223774/

However, I suspect that a mixup between Mr.Coke (Swedish, coder of the latter one) and Coke (Norwegian, coder in Stone Arts) has led to the conclusion that Stone Arts must have released a "Party Intro" at ECC93. :)

And, to make things even more fun, it seems like the Swedish Mr.Coke actually has two entries on demozoo
Coke: https://demozoo.org/sceners/4085/
Mr.Coke: https://demozoo.org/sceners/4802/

The reason for believing this is that one of the Cizeron prods credited to Coke clearly shows "Mr.Coke" in the screenshot. The overlap of other members (like Skutt & Morris) between Hardcore Design (where Mr.Coke was a member) and Cizeron also adds credibility to this, I guess. :)

So, in short:
- Remove the Stone Arts party intro because it probably never existed
- Work out whether *all* the stuff credited to Coke (https://demozoo.org/sceners/4802/) is from the same guy (maybe check with Chucky / The Gang?) and if so merge Coke and Mr.Coke (but keep Norwegian Coke out of it).

phew!

slummy - 14:10 22 January 2020 #

Blargh, the last link was to the wrong entry (Mr.Coke instead of Coke).

menace - 06:31 23 January 2020 #

So, the whole Stone Arts thing has been worked out. Thanks for spotting that :)

Though, on the subject of the other matter, the two Cokes if you will, some reading of scrolltexts and checking around makes it evident that since the two have vastly different real names, they are likely not the same.

slummy - 18:11 23 January 2020 #

However, I just checked all the Virtual and Cizeron prods attributed to Coke and each one of them contains credits for "Mr.Coke" instead. Also, the one Cizeron-logo attributed to Coke is named "Cizeron logo by Mr. Coke"

So my assumption is that the Virtual and Cizeron prods should be attributed to Mr. :)

slummy - 19:38 23 January 2020 #

Some (but not all) of the screenshots for entry https://demozoo.org/productions/5917/ actually comes from this one: https://demozoo.org/productions/195609/

The correct shots for H.A.S.H. are:
https://media.demozoo.org/screens/s/6d/73/f59d.jw987c.png
https://media.demozoo.org/screens/s/cd/a1/0518.jw987a.png
https://media.demozoo.org/screens/s/0d/2e/c2ad.jw987b.png

and the rest are from the other intro.

Afaik the intro coded by Coca was also released at TP3, but I seem to remember it never showed up in any results back then either.

vitalkanev - 11:52 25 January 2020 #

Yeah, I posted this note already some time ago, but then I found a bug in my proposed note for https://demozoo.org/music/271443/ - so it should be this, thanks:

Used in Clash'n Slash (2005) game

vitalkanev - 15:07 29 January 2020 #

Alright. I created this scener by accident. I misspelled some names. https://demozoo.org/sceners/112372/

menace - 04:31 31 January 2020 #

all fixed.

reed - 19:14 1 February 2020 #

This: https://demozoo.org/sceners/8215 ... is actually an alternative nickname of this: https://demozoo.org/sceners/16086

And this: https://demozoo.org/sceners/8219 ... is actually an alternative nickname of this: https://demozoo.org/sceners/307

I already fixed the relevant info, but the unnecessary sceners (8215 + 8219) can probably be deleted. And someone should probably fix the same stuff in Kestra/Bitworld as well :)

Yoik - 20:09 1 February 2020 #

reed: Thanks for contributing! Dupes deleted as well :)

Ramses - 00:04 2 February 2020 #

Please remove these double entries:

https://demozoo.org/music/222949/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61474/
https://demozoo.org/music/222958/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61475/
https://demozoo.org/music/222945/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61476/
https://demozoo.org/music/222959/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61477/
https://demozoo.org/music/222944/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61478/
https://demozoo.org/music/222943/ ... also double of https://demozoo.org/music/61478/
https://demozoo.org/music/222946/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61479/
https://demozoo.org/music/222942/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61480/
https://demozoo.org/music/222957/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61481/
https://demozoo.org/music/222948/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61482/
https://demozoo.org/music/222940/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61483/
https://demozoo.org/music/222954/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61471/
https://demozoo.org/music/222951/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/5500/
https://demozoo.org/productions/222939/ ... unnecessary in my opinion, just https://demozoo.org/music/5500/ should be enough
https://demozoo.org/music/222955/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61473/
https://demozoo.org/music/222947/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/65538/
https://demozoo.org/music/222952/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61489/
https://demozoo.org/music/222941/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/7015/

Thanks!

tomaes - 19:48 2 February 2020 #

Ramses: A couple were already removed, I did the rest. Hopefully no-one made a mistake. ;)

Ramses - 09:23 3 February 2020 #

Thanks.
I found one more. Please remove also:

https://demozoo.org/music/222956/ ... double of https://demozoo.org/music/61481/

100bit - 20:17 3 February 2020 #

Ramses, thanks for these lines! a small(est) part was removed by me, the rest was removed by tomaes. also fixed some things in Kestra BitWorld (thanks to asle). your last report was fixed too :)

vitalkanev - 16:41 6 February 2020 #

1. There are some dupe screenshots here: https://demozoo.org/productions/48093/
2. Add the following note to https://demozoo.org/parties/3990/:

Results based on result.html from downloadable package available on Scene.org (<https://files.scene.org/view/music/compos/chipyxa/chipyxa-2-all.zip>). Date is estimated from "Last modified" dates from files.

Yoik - 19:14 6 February 2020 #

vitalkanev: all done.

decca - 22:46 8 February 2020 #

https://demozoo.org/music/274547/ can be removed, its a dupe of https://demozoo.org/music/274542/

Yoik - 01:50 9 February 2020 #

decca: done!

dOc.K - 21:57 9 February 2020 #

Accidentally added screenshot from CLI startup of https://demozoo.org/productions/274562/ (first screenshot).
Could you plz. remove this one?
Other Digital Chips productions present max. two screenshots as well.
Would upload readme file with same content instead.

Yoik - 22:50 9 February 2020 #

dOc.K: aaand it’s gone :)

vitalkanev - 18:04 14 February 2020 #

Dupe screenshots are all over the place (possibly because import mess from Janeway?):
- https://demozoo.org/productions/6962/
- https://demozoo.org/productions/1917/
- https://demozoo.org/productions/90/ (various aspect ratios)
- https://demozoo.org/productions/8988/

vitalkanev - 11:50 15 February 2020 #

...and here too:
- https://demozoo.org/productions/5319/
- https://demozoo.org/productions/5782/
- https://demozoo.org/productions/124/

In other words, always check productions page for any duplicate screenshots! (normally applies for Amiga demos and so on)

tomaes - 13:24 15 February 2020 #

vitalkanev: For now, I cleared 4 of these, including defacto dupes (nearly the same shot, just marginally different). I tried to preserve the correct order of the shots as well, when they were seemingly in order to begin with. :)

If this is a systemic problem, there's probably a better way to do this than by hand.

Oseias - 23:20 15 February 2020 #

Ok here's our answer.
I and my team, unfortunately, we're not up ourselves, we don't consider ourselves as ''beautiful'' , as we say over here, so we won't fix anything.
Sorry.

vitalkanev - 13:12 24 February 2020 #

https://demozoo.org/sceners/8508/'s real name should be proably set to "Jim Storer" - see "The people" section of FM.NFO as of Progression musicdisk (http://mirror.scenesat.com/scene.org/music/groups/fm/fm-prog.zip) release (https://i.imgur.com/5Q9IKTr.png)

britelite - 10:31 26 February 2020 #

https://demozoo.org/productions/232562/ should be removed, as it's a duplicate of this https://demozoo.org/productions/131929/

tomaes - 11:42 26 February 2020 #

vitalkanev: Done, as it's public on Nectarine also.

britelite: Done (by 100bit, I think)

slummy - 08:02 27 February 2020 #

https://demozoo.org/sceners/103393/ = https://demozoo.org/sceners/5399/

Yoik - 08:26 27 February 2020 #

slummy: Done :)

fenarinarsa - 23:43 27 February 2020 #

I think you can add the real name of Jess :)
https://demozoo.org/sceners/2522/
https://soundcloud.com/jean-s-bastien-gerard

slummy - 17:22 3 March 2020 #

I think this guy https://demozoo.org/sceners/7694/ was actually called Overlord, not Overload.

He's credited as Overlord both here: https://demozoo.org/productions/168498/ and here: https://demozoo.org/productions/6364/ (Granted, the "A" and "R" are quite similar with the font in the last one :) )

And this Cadaver prod: https://demozoo.org/productions/236279/ has a logo in a very similar style, signed Overlord (as seen in the screenshot).

This probably also means that he was *not* the guy who made this: https://demozoo.org/graphics/47477/ (since it was credited to Overload in the results from Dreamhack)
(He might also not have been in Ultrasonic, but I don't know where that membership comes from)

sensenstahl - 04:04 4 March 2020 #

slummy: the Ultrasonic membership might have been a slip by me when adding. Removed him from the group and added a new scener ("Overload" is in the released member list of Ultrasonic). I have no clue about the rest but I guess someone else has :)

StingRay_ - 15:47 4 March 2020 #

https://demozoo.org/sceners/16367/ Completely wrong info here! Mnemotron and Tom are 2 different persons and Mmnemotron was never known as Thomas (and neither is his real name Thomas Kessler)!

StingRay_ - 15:51 4 March 2020 #

Ok, fixed it myself, removed Mnemotron from Tom's entry. :)

vitalkanev - 16:11 4 March 2020 #

https://demozoo.org/music/256171/ (from Janeway import) is a dupe of https://demozoo.org/music/113095/ (from Fading Twilight). I had to move all soundtrack entries from newer entry to an older one.

Yoik - 19:32 9 March 2020 #

vitalkanev: someone must’ve took care of it. already done at least :)

britelite - 10:01 11 March 2020 #

https://demozoo.org/sceners/98852/
https://demozoo.org/sceners/98851/
https://demozoo.org/sceners/98850/

Those can be removed, no idea why someone added those Finnish words as sceners :D

menace - 10:06 11 March 2020 #

britelite: Those were all added as part of our import from Janeway, and seemingly from credits to this production: http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/release.php?id=30313 - Now, on our end, it seems those Finnish words are "translated" into actual, other sceners. Perhaps they were part of some elaborate smoke and mirrors scheme? ;)

RufUsul - 01:23 13 March 2020 #

please delete this dupes:
https://demozoo.org/music/253942/ (dupe of https://demozoo.org/music/185800/)
https://demozoo.org/music/253947/ (dupe of https://demozoo.org/music/185799/)

RufUsul - 10:57 14 March 2020 #

another real name, this time for:
https://demozoo.org/sceners/31845/ -> Sébastien Briais
source:
http://fabiensanglard.net/another_world_polygons_Jaguar/index.html

gasman - 14:02 14 March 2020 #

RufUsul: I didn't read the full article, but I can't see anything in there to definitively link that name to the releases on Demozoo, or confirm that he is happy for his demoscene activity to be linked to his real-world identity. Since revealing personal information is a sensitive issue for a lot of sceners, we'd rather err on the side of caution here and not add the real name.

exocet - 18:18 14 March 2020 #

RufUsul: as a sidenote, I think there were 2 different persons under the scener page you linked to, so I've moved Seb / The Removers to https://demozoo.org/sceners/112999/

RufUsul - 11:10 15 March 2020 #

gasman: ok for me, but apparently you did not see: 'So was member of "The Removers" group Sébastien Briais.' + 'Thanks to Sébastien Briais and Gregory Montoir who contributed their knowledge to this article.'

slummy - 10:34 17 March 2020 #

The last 3 screenshots here https://demozoo.org/productions/164552/screenshots/ have emulator title bars and are also redundant since they cover the same as the earlier screenshots.

Also, screenshot #4 from the end (this one: https://media.demozoo.org/screens/o/7d/5b/3ec2.117382.png) is broken due to incorrect scaling.

menace - 14:17 17 March 2020 #

What the crank. All fixed.

One would think that once original authors of the production itself added screenshots, others would not see it as a fitting use of their time to upload duplicate shots with emulator graphics overlaid.

God knows there's lots of stuff WITHOUT screenshots in the database, still. In fact, there's a very handy dandy query for those very productions: https://demozoo.org/maintenance/prods_without_screenshots

Saga_Musix - 11:16 18 March 2020 #

RufUsul: The article does not establish any connections between real names and nicknames though.

Saga_Musix - 11:17 18 March 2020 #

(to be clear, this is not about proving that they are the same person, which they probably are. It's all about privacy and GDPR).

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